http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ The Sevens Forum: After en Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:08:06 +0000 http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/figured-it-out-and-its-not-even-2am-spoiler#post-331 Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:18:09 +0000 nihilo 331@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>Kudos, sonnygivvt. Especially on the flaws of language.</p> <p>My take is that the movie was on the validation of existence. </p> <p>"Do I really exist or am I a figment of your imagination?"</p> <p>The ending was touching, too. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/figured-it-out-and-its-not-even-2am-spoiler#post-330 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:32:10 +0000 MrsColic 330@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I didn't get this back when I saw it. Today someone was asking me about it and I didn't even know what to say... now I read all the above, and still don't get what is going on! help :( </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/the-plot-device-was-very-similar-to-haruhi-suzumiya#post-328 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:27:08 +0000 Lolz 328@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>If you've seen Haruhi and you know what I mean;</p> <p>They both use a being that can shape reality. Was The Nines inspired by The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya? </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/the-green-bracelet#post-327 Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:28:53 +0000 tarron 327@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I wear a green bracelet now. Thanks for the tip about the nine threads sevven, I will braid 3 strands and combine them to make nine. I love the significance of it, helps me to feel grounded! </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/awesome-movie-but-overanalyzedmy-analysis#post-326 Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:15:00 +0000 Nineandahalf 326@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>Does anyone think the rumours that this movie is actually close to the truth about the universe are true?... </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/my-love-for-the-nines#post-325 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:52:46 +0000 sevven 325@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>That's hardcore. And cool. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/watched-the-r1-dvd-my-interpretation#post-324 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:52:12 +0000 sevven 324@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>The addiction stuff makes a lot of sense with what S says in part three, that this is an intervention. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/the-green-bracelet#post-323 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:50:41 +0000 sevven 323@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>If you look at the opening titles carefully, you can see that each of the threads is really three threads, so there are nine things woven in.</p> <p>Also, if you look at the photos online, you can see how they shot the string thing. It was really simple. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/ryan-reynolds-actually-is-master-of-universe#post-322 Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:48:30 +0000 sevven 322@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I thought it was weird to see something with a logo there. Usually in movies they're something else, like QuickExpress or something. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/ryan-reynolds-actually-is-master-of-universe#post-321 Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:41:35 +0000 Nineandahalf 321@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>Does the FEDEX truck at the end of the second act have any significance? </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/ryan-reynolds-actually-is-master-of-universe#post-320 Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:37:51 +0000 Nineandahalf 320@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I am a 10 and what Ryan has done is quite clever but nothing to be proud of, or nothing a 9 would be proud of anyway. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/the-green-bracelet#post-319 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:00:33 +0000 savingsolace 319@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I was reminded of the fates in Greek mythology. After doing some research, I found out that the fate who spun the thread, Clotho, had a Roman equivalent--Nona, which means ninth. The fate Atropa/Morta carried shears, which may be what the scissors were alluding to. I suppose the knot-tying could represent the other fate, Lachesis/Decima, since she was the one who measured the thread. However Lachesis/Decima and Atropa/Morta represented the numbers 10 and 11 respectively. Since the movie dealt with creation and escapism into a generated world, I suppose Clotho/Nona--"nine" became the focus of the movie. Just a hypothesis :) </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/figured-it-out-and-its-not-even-2am-spoiler#post-318 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:14:39 +0000 savingsolace 318@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>Allow me to give you a more comical interpretation of the movie. I posted this on another thread, but I think it would be worthwhile to post it on this one too. But my real "Aha!" moment was quite hilarious and quite bizarre. But after doing a little research I got some shivers. If you think really hard, what this movie is ULTIMATELY saying is that Ryan Reynolds is G/G/G because they've placed people that we know in our world (Melissa and Dahlia) into the movie.</p> <p>Allow me to explain:</p> <p>In reference to the second act, Melissa and Dahlia are actual people that we know of in our world. But there is no tv show called crim9 or a reality-tv show based on a pilot episode in our world. Therefore, our world is not the second act, but a variation of it. We are merely living in a reality much like the one in the second act, except that G/G/G is Ryan Reynolds instead of Gavin (hence the absence of the tv shows). Without using Melissa or Dahlia's real name, then there is absolutely no way we could come to this conclusion. But by doing so, the movie is actually suggesting that our reality is much like theirs, with Gavin and Ryan being the only difference.</p> <p>[I suppose you could argue that the second act's reality also had a Ryan Reynolds, but that would mean there would also be a movie called "The Nines" in that world too which would lead Melissa and Dahlia to -- ouch! my head hurts]</p> <p>If anyone has bothered to look up what the name Ryan means, it's quite eerie:</p> <p><a href="http://www.behindthename.com/name/ryan" rel="nofollow">http://www.behindthename.com/name/ryan</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/ryan/" rel="nofollow">http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/ryan/</a></p> <p>Are you totally freaked out yet? :)</p> <p>Still don't believe me? Look up Ryan's last name, but omit the S.</p> <p><a href="http://www.behindthename.com/name/reynold" rel="nofollow">http://www.behindthename.com/name/reynold</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/reynold/" rel="nofollow">http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/reynold/</a></p> <p>NOW ARE YOU FREAKED OUT?! (I guess his favorite letter is R now).</p> <p>The movie is the most deceptive form of propaganda: tell the actual outrageous truth because no one would believe it anyway, just so that people will think it is entirely fictional... or is that exactly what I'm doing? </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/ryan-reynolds-actually-is-master-of-universe#post-317 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 06:42:17 +0000 savingsolace 317@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>LOL, you could easily play around with that idea actually:</p> <p>Yes... Ryan is yet another manifestation of G- (but I guess he decided to break out of the whole G- thing this time), and our reality as we know it is actually just another variation created by Ryan. Allow me to explain:</p> <p>According to the second act, Melissa and Dahlia are actual people that we know in our world. But there is no tv show called crim9 or a reality-tv show based on a pilot of a series in our world. However, there IS someone that looks a LOT like that Gavin guy and we all know who THAT is. G/G/G just decided to write another world--our world, a lot like the world in the second act, but just a little differently, and Ryan is the name G/G/G goes by now (I will explain why later).</p> <p>By placing real-life people into that movie, what this film is ultimately insinuating is that Ryan Reynolds is G-incarnate and we are merely the 7s of this world he created. (Do you suppose the G- could be G-OD?) If anyone has bothered to look up what the name Ryan means, it's quite eerie:</p> <p><a href="http://www.behindthename.com/name/ryan" rel="nofollow">http://www.behindthename.com/name/ryan</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/ryan/" rel="nofollow">http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/ryan/</a></p> <p>Are you totally freaked out yet? :)</p> <p>Still don't believe me? Look up Ryan's last name, but omit the S.</p> <p><a href="http://www.behindthename.com/name/reynold" rel="nofollow">http://www.behindthename.com/name/reynold</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/reynold/" rel="nofollow">http://www.weddingvendors.com/baby-names/meaning/reynold/</a></p> <p>NOW ARE YOU FREAKED OUT?! (I guess his favorite letter is R now).</p> <p>The movie is the most deceptive form of propaganda: tell the actual outrageous truth because no one would believe it anyway, just so that people will think it is entirely fictional... or is that exactly what I'm doing? </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/ryan-reynolds-actually-is-master-of-universe#post-316 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:05:05 +0000 Nineandahalf 316@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>Ryan Reynolds is the God of our universe, or he knows who is. Can anyone shed more light on this subject? </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/my-explanation-spoiler#post-315 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:50:05 +0000 visualaspect 315@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I believe that this movie is an allegory for what many of the Eastern ideas call enlightenment, oneness, Self realization, etc. Here is how I have come to this conclusion:</p> <p>PART ONE: THE PRISONER<br /> In the Eastern ideas, mainly Hindu &#38; Buddhist a recurring theme is that we are "prisoners" to the trappings of the mind and all of it's creations including, but not limited to, the very world which we perceive as reality. In PART ONE Magaret/Melissa/Mary tells Gary/Gavin/Gabriel that he has created everything around him and that he can destroy it with a thought. This very closely follows the idea(s) that the world is an ilusion created by the Ego and that what we experience is purely sensual (interpreted &#38; perceived by the senses) and therefore subjective to the experiencer. It should also be mentioned that in PART ONE, Gary/Gavin/Gabriel is very lost and self-destructive. Many people reach this state just prior to embarking on a spiritual journey that leads to realization of Self. Gary/Gavin/Gabriel makes the decision to take that journey when he crosses the line.</p> <p>PART TWO: REALITY (TELEVISION)<br /> In this portion Gary/Gavin/Gabriel has to face the hard truths about himself and his subsequent "new" life. In all spiritual journeys, the seeker must take a much needed look at himself and his actions to determine what needs to be repaired/cut away. The life before the journey is so superficial (hence the life of an Hollywood actor), but there are always clue (hence the note "look for the nines", the software titled "knowing", the sign and the little girl at the bus stop, and the people around him). In PART TWO Gary/Gavin/Gabriel must face his greatest adversary to enlightenment...himself. Within him are characteristics of the Ego we all struggle with: vanity, pride, materialism, etc. He is at a pinnacle and his wolrd must come crashing down before he can make the necessary changes to reach the level of enlightenment. </p> <p>PART THREE: KNOWING<br /> In part three, it becomes apparent who the two women in the film symbolize. Maragret/Melissa/Mary represents the trappings of the world. As Gary/Gavin/Gabriel says, "I loved you the best". She stands for all that is hard to seperate from even when there is a "knowing" of who/what we are. Susan/Sarah/? is the depicition of The Guru. The Guru is the one who leads the seeker away from the trappings and out of the disillusioned state. It is often said in Eastern ideas that "when the student is ready, the teacher will appear". InPART THREE, Gary/Gavin/Gabriel has come to that point and is walking alone when Susan/Sarah/? suddenly appears. In PART THREE Gary/Gavin/Gabriel has attained enlightenment and his Guru leads him away from the worldly things. He comes to the realization of Self at that point and the numbers signify this.</p> <p>THE NUMBERS:<br /> The numbers seem to be a system of explaining where one is in the spiritual journey. Gary/Gavin/Gabriel is a 9, meaning that he need only destroy the ego "with a thought" and he would end the cycle of reincarnation. He is openly defiant in PART ONE and therefore has to be re-born into Gavin. He still doesn't quite get it right in PART TWO so now he must become Gabriel. So the 9 means the highest level of spiritual attainment possible before returning to what Eastern ideas call "oneness" or the all-pervading consciousness. The 10 is just that...is is the all, te everything that has always existed and always will. We are all 10's to some degree, yet we cannot fully attain it until we destroy the Ego and renounce it' trappings. It is interesting that Gary/Gavin/Gabriel does not have to leave the world during his journey, in other words he does not have to become a monk and give up all of his possesions, he merely just needs to see the world for what it is, or more importnantly what it is not and become what he has been all along. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/figured-it-out-and-its-not-even-2am-spoiler#post-314 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:30:59 +0000 Malsilive 314@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>sonnygivvt,</p> <p>Your post was amazing, kind of creepy, but interesting.</p> <p>I'm so boggled, this movie just messed with my head.</p> <p>I would like to think this is just the mind of a crack-head. Maybe this is what they experience. But that doesn't work because of the ending. So it's just some total mind-**** which is why I feel mind-****ed. Makes sense to me, but I don't like the feeling of being mind-****ed.</p> <p>All I can say, besides what I've just said, is: "ow". </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/figured-it-out-and-its-not-even-2am-spoiler#post-313 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:42:24 +0000 sonnygivvt 313@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>Intended or not, John August presented an entertaining exposition of an idea called "solipsism". This is the idea that life, reality and experience are phenomena of the mind, unrelated to any true extra-experiential existence. This idea is fundamentally absurd and irrefutable as such, but can nevertheless be compellingly argued from a negative stance.</p> <p>Inherent to the concept of reality as a construct of the mind is the fact that at one point in time you experienced reality in a manner far different from what you know today. Can you remember being in the womb? It was warm and calm. Pain could only come from your own subconscious, unfulfilled desires and unwanted sensations. Then you were "born." But why do you trust what you have been told about your birth? Your parents were there, right? So you have been told. Do you remember?</p> <p>Child psychologists acknowledge that even several months after birth, an infant still lacks the ability to recognize shapes, patterns of color or movement. What is the infant seeing? A convoluted mess of something completely unknown. As we observed these shifting shapes, colors, and patterns of movement, we began to assosciate meaning with each one. This process essentially builds an entire system of perspective which naturally reinforces itself. After all, the process of "learning" is about questioning, but questions themselves are never questioned. We simply ask a question, get an answer, file and continue.</p> <p>But what is a question? To question the nature of questions is to look into a mirror and stare yourself down. Try it sometime. Stand in front of a mirror and stare into your own eyes. Do not attempt to distract yourself mentally, but rather allow your mind to mull over what it sees. Think about yourself as you stare into yourself.</p> <p>Tell me if you can make it even one hour. The average human can do many painful and annoying things for an hour, but staring at itself in a mirror can be confusing, terrifying, and even maddening. This is because you do not understand yourself in the least degree. What can you say about yourself that does not depend on your willingness to accept its' premise?</p> <p>The sad truth however, is that when you realize this about yourself, you will find what you have believed and what you have been willing to accept are not easily dismissed. You have created rules for yourself, rules that you will never break free of until you are willing to shed your skin, your name, and your "identity". These are not who you are, they are what you wear. You are something else entirely.</p> <p>I could attempt to dissect "The Nines", but like any surgical operation, I will only be as effective and exact as my tools. As it is, the English language is entirely insufficient to describe anything with accuracy beyond it's own insufficiency.</p> <p>I will only say that I hope you have taken something away from what I have written above. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/figured-it-out-and-its-not-even-2am-spoiler#post-312 Sat, 31 May 2008 23:36:26 +0000 dysthymiajoe 312@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I guess I found my own meaning to the movie. I thought the central theme was "You create your own reality." You make your own world and it is up to you to make it work the way you want. The way you want is decided at your higher level of being. I felt that the Melissa characters were representative of a more helpful person, encouraging you to the places you want to be and the Hope Davis characters were the people who try to "make you see how things are, to be realistic, do quit dreaming and come back."</p> <p>I guess it is a more abstract interpretation. The Ryan Reynolds characters were always happiest with the Melissas and more forlorn when with the Hopes. The only time he was pleased with the Hope charaacters is when they were "easing" him into their truth and in the end he was the most upset when he chose the Hope way, obliterating everything in part 1, completely lost at the end of part 2 and saddened in having to leave Melissa in part 3. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/figured-it-out-and-its-not-even-2am-spoiler#post-311 Thu, 29 May 2008 10:21:46 +0000 Game 311@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I came to this site looking for some ideas of what some parts of the movie meant (I just saw it tonight), but I think you guys REALLY overdid it with the "hidden meaning" party.</p> <p>I think the movie is pretty clear (in my opinion) in that it is about the addiction people have to video games. Anyone who is, or has been, deeply addicted to a video game (such as myself) will see this movie and understand it quickly (at least the way I understood it).</p> <p>I'm not totally clear on a few things in the movie, but I'll just summarize my ideas below:</p> <p>- Gary/Gavin/Gabriel (let's just call him Gary) is Melissa's Avatar in the "game". I personally always choose hot female characters for my video game characters, so it is no surprise that Melissa chose a hot guy for hers, and is living out a fantasy of being the publicist of someone that looks like Ryan Reynolds, then his best friend, and then his wife. It is clearly a case of the "SIMS" (the game).</p> <p>- The reason why Gary (who is controlled by Melissa in real life) is a "9", and God (the real-life God) is a "10", is that WE control everything about the video game we design, whereas God controls us in real-life. I think maybe 7s are NPCs (non-player characters, or in other words "computer characters"). Telepathic Koalas might be a jab at NPCs. Im not sure. I make fun of how stupid NPCs are designed all the time, so I can see how a Telepathic Koala would be higher up the food chain than stupid NPCs.</p> <p>- It seems that Sara is another real-life player (I can't tie this in with the ending of the movie though...), but it seems that she is, conceptually at least, another real-life player that is seeing someone playing endlessly (like if I saw someone in my World of Warcraft guild always online everytime I came on, I might become a bit concerned for him/her), and she tries to get through to him (or her, since we are talking about Melissa here) to stop playing the game. Clearly, Melissa is so addicted and deep into the game that she forgot that she is really a woman.</p> <p>(let's call the Real-Life Melissa "MelissaRL", and In-Game Melissa "MelissaIG" for easy reference)</p> <p>This would explain why MelissaIG calls Sara a "9" (she is afraid that another real-life human will succeed at getting MelissaRL to stop playing). MelissaIG is a "7" because she is not the real Melissa...she is just an NPC (a computer character).</p> <p>Heck, MelissaIG could also be the director's symbolic sum manifestation of all MelissaRL's desires to live in a fantasy world (in other words, the desires that lead to our addiction to games), which is why Sara needed to get Gary away from MelissaIG at least for a short while in order to try to reason with him/her.</p> <p>- The bracelet seems like nothing more than a symbolic "log-in" or username/password.</p> <p>- The 3 "Garys" in the movie, to me, are just like making 3 characters in an online game (such as World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Everquest, etc). They are just three different characters that Melissa plays. It seems that these three characters are used by the director to depict stages a real-life video game addict goes through.</p> <p>- In Part One, Gary burning the children's clothing is probably symbolic of MelissaRL missing out on her daughter's childhood. Many parents who are addicted to video games often miss their children's growing years, playing the game endlessly. It might also be an expression of how stupid the addiction is...like buying dirty crack off the street, hanging out with a dirty street hooker, and being a complete idiot.</p> <p>- Part Two seems to be the "climax" of the gaming years. Playing a SIM, getting all excited about the big contract, and so on. Im pretty sure that things falling apart for him was not symbolic, but nothing more than Sara sabotaging him to get him to come back to the real-world.</p> <p>- Part Three seems to be the "burnout" stage (which happens after many many months of endless gaming). He has a beard, his car burns out, the colors are faded. Seems pretty clear to me.</p> <p>A thought: Maybe the water was a virus...same virus Sara gave her gamer ex-boyfriend?</p> <p>The one thing I don't understand, and the reason why I came to this forum in the first place, is how she "connected" to the game when she came out of it. Did the director simply not want to put her in front of a computer so that the movie doesn't become "obvious"? Or maybe the director wanted to create a parallel between computer gaming and one's imagination (since what is a video game but a dots on a screen that let you visualize an imaginary world more easily)? Or maybe she was literally just stuck in her imagination (weak idea, but maybe)?</p> <p>But her family, her husband specifically, did not seem "relieved" to see her "back".</p> <p>I just don't get the ending.</p> <p>Either way, great movie and I can relate to it in many ways. Let me know your thoughts. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/awesome-movie-but-overanalyzedmy-analysis#post-309 Tue, 27 May 2008 23:34:46 +0000 Game 309@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I came to this site looking for some ideas of what some parts of the movie meant (I just saw it tonight), but I think you guys REALLY overdid it with the "hidden meaning" party.</p> <p>I think the movie is pretty clear (in my opinion) in that it is about the addiction people have to video games. Anyone who is, or has been, deeply addicted to a video game (such as myself) will see this movie and understand it quickly (at least the way I understood it). </p> <p>I'm not totally clear on a few things in the movie, but I'll just summarize my ideas below:</p> <p>- Gary/Gavin/Gabriel (let's just call him Gary) is Melissa's Avatar in the "game". I personally always choose hot female characters for my video game characters, so it is no surprise that Melissa chose a hot guy for hers, and is living out a fantasy of being the publicist of someone that looks like Ryan Reynolds, then his best friend, and then his wife. It is clearly a case of the "SIMS" (the game).</p> <p>- The reason why Gary (who is controlled by Melissa in real life) is a "9", and God (the real-life God) is a "10", is that WE control everything about the video game we design, whereas God controls us in real-life. I think maybe 7s are NPCs (non-player characters, or in other words "computer characters"). Telepathic Koalas might be a jab at NPCs. Im not sure. I make fun of how stupid NPCs are designed all the time, so I can see how a Telepathic Koala would be higher up the food chain than stupid NPCs.</p> <p>- It seems that Sara is another real-life player (I can't tie this in with the ending of the movie though...), but it seems that she is, conceptually at least, another real-life player that is seeing someone playing endlessly (like if I saw someone in my World of Warcraft guild always online everytime I came on, I might become a bit concerned for him/her), and she tries to get through to him (or her, since we are talking about Melissa here) to stop playing the game. Clearly, Melissa is so addicted and deep into the game that she forgot that she is really a woman.</p> <p>(let's call the Real-Life Melissa "MelissaRL", and In-Game Melissa "MelissaIG" for easy reference)</p> <p>This would explain why MelissaIG calls Sara a "9" (she is afraid that another real-life human will succeed at getting MelissaRL to stop playing). MelissaIG is a "7" because she is not the real Melissa...she is just an NPC (a computer character).</p> <p>Heck, MelissaIG could also be the director's symbolic sum manifestation of all MelissaRL's desires to live in a fantasy world (in other words, the desires that lead to our addiction to games), which is why Sara needed to get Gary away from MelissaIG at least for a short while in order to try to reason with him/her.</p> <p>- The bracelet seems like nothing more than a symbolic "log-in" or username/password.</p> <p>- The 3 "Garys" in the movie, to me, are just like making 3 characters in an online game (such as World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Everquest, etc). They are just three different characters that Melissa plays. It seems that these three characters are used by the director to depict stages a real-life video game addict goes through.</p> <p>- In Part One, Gary burning the children's clothing is probably symbolic of MelissaRL missing out on her daughter's childhood. Many parents who are addicted to video games often miss their children's growing years, playing the game endlessly. It might also be an expression of how stupid the addiction is...like buying dirty crack off the street, hanging out with a dirty street hooker, and being a complete idiot.</p> <p>- Part Two seems to be the "climax" of the gaming years. Playing a SIM, getting all excited about the big contract, and so on. Im pretty sure that things falling apart for him was not symbolic, but nothing more than Sara sabotaging him to get him to come back to the real-world.</p> <p>- Part Three seems to be the "burnout" stage (which happens after many many months of endless gaming). He has a beard, his car burns out, the colors are faded. Seems pretty clear to me. </p> <p>A thought: Maybe the water was a virus...same virus Sara gave her gamer ex-boyfriend? </p> <p>The one thing I don't understand, and the reason why I came to this forum in the first place, is how she "connected" to the game when she came out of it. Did the director simply not want to put her in front of a computer so that the movie doesn't become "obvious"? Or maybe the director wanted to create a parallel between computer gaming and one's imagination (since what is a video game but a dots on a screen that let you visualize an imaginary world more easily)? Or maybe she was literally just stuck in her imagination (weak idea, but maybe)? </p> <p>But her family, her husband specifically, did not seem "relieved" to see her "back". </p> <p>I just don't get the ending.</p> <p>Either way, great movie and I can relate to it in many ways. Let me know your thoughts. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/figured-it-out-and-its-not-even-2am-spoiler#post-308 Thu, 08 May 2008 10:30:07 +0000 sonofawildcat 308@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>catieboles,</p> <p>Here is my interperitation. Ryan Reynolds charactars were semi-god like. he would create a world and then wanted to be a "player" in his game. He then would get lost in his creation.<br /> In "Reality", the guy who talks to him through the glass was a nine, as was Sierra in "Knowing". i figured that out when Ryan lifts his shirt and he had a roman numeral 9 tattooed on his back and Sierra moved her hair and had a roman numeral 9 tattooed on the back of her neck. In all three stories she is trying to get Ryan to realize he wasn't human and he needed to go back to where they were from.</p> <p>Melissa said that he called her and told her everything. I think he left that in her conscienceness everytime he created her. She was in all of his worlds because he told her at the end of "knowing" that she was his favorite. He was sad he had to end her reality, so at the end he creates another world for her to live in without him in it to intefere.<br /> Thats my take on it. It was an awesome movie! </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/figured-it-out-and-its-not-even-2am-spoiler#post-307 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:04:42 +0000 FaizFY1 307@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I just watched the nines and was really interested in discussing it and it actually is 2am lol. </p> <p>I didn't figure it out straight away like most films but i think i do get it. I always look at new films with apparent 'twists' hoping its going to be something really profound but always ends up pretty dull.</p> <p>The Nines to me had real religious connotations, where Gary/Gavin/GABRIEL (the angel gabriel) is an 'angel' or 'deity' of some sort that has a drug problem only his drug problem is in the form of making human lives for himself, lives that he cannot stay in much like a drug hallucination. Ryan Reynolds' character craves human life, maybe because being a deity is not his thing or what i'm not sure, but ultimately Hope Davis' character, and the other two characters in the 'intervention' seen like Gabriel are angels, trying to bring him back to the place that 'cannot be described with human words...' Heaven? </p> <p>So like if GOD was a 10 his angels are Nines. </p> <p>Just some thoughts. Very impressed with the film, and am glad i picked it up because it showed me that just because a film has a blockbuster character in it and doesn't stay on the cinema for 16 weeks in a row doesn't mean its not a great piece of cinema. </p> <p>Other religious connotations - Mary is Melissa's name at the end - Mary/Virgin Mary/Jesus' mother. Im sure there are other connotations will have to watch it again but for now im tired. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/figured-it-out-and-its-not-even-2am-spoiler#post-306 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:10:28 +0000 sieges7 306@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>Even though the great thing about books television and movies is that are minds are free to interpret whatever we want and stimulate our minds. I think sometimes you have to re-read or watch it over without putting any thought into it and just listen. I believe from the writers point of view he explained everything very clearly and pieced it all correctly. Perhaps its just me and I could be wrong, but a lot of thought doesn't need to be put into it because the movie is self explanitory. However it covers a lot very deep ideas which in turn makes us think we may need to dig deeper to uncover whats really going on. When in fact there isn't really any need to. Then again if you didn't really understand it first time and your looking for answers watching a second or third is always a good way of it clicking. I think I was 12 or 13 when the movie "Donnie Darko" came out and I had to watch it I don't know how many times till I finally "got it". I guess the best way to describe this movie is like a very hard math equation that has already been solved. When you look at it on paper the equation might not make a lot of sense because the answer is already there and because the answer is already there you may want to break down the equation to figure out how it came to that answer. Hoping that by doing that you will find all cause to the answer. Truth is though it is just a really hard math problem with the answer already done, there isn't any reason to break it down it's been solved. Basically if that just made no sense. It is what it is. I thought to myself before I went to sleep How would I feel knowing I lived somewhere that was created by something for its own enjoyment. I would feel fine, at the end of the day it would be my world and I would live in it knowing that the actions I do still take place because I can. I think people should watch this movie without putting to much thought into it. It will stimulate your mind no matter what. However to make sense of the movie you just have to watch it. All the answers are given pretty clearly. Thanks John for making this more personable and a great movie. All the best.</p> <p>~Charles </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/watched-the-r1-dvd-my-interpretation#post-303 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 05:47:13 +0000 kazoola 303@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I watched the movie on DVD last night. It went pretty much unnoticed in the UK market, which is pretty disappointing considering the favourable reviews and great cast.</p> <p>I enjoyed reading the interpretations that people have posted on the board and I must say that I 'got' the same idea when the movie ended. However whilst I was watching the movie, and looked "for the nines" (for eg, the sample group for the pilot, the party at his home etc) there was an interpretation I thought of while watching the movie. </p> <p>I don't know whether this was what John intended, yet this seems like a interesting idea:</p> <p>There are many references to addiction throughout the movie, from narcotics, alcohol to MMORPGs and love. Prior to the first part playing, there is the brief introduction to G. A man who burns those items and ultimately crashes.</p> <p>The parts were ideas of induced highs where G had created scenarios of being in control in some respects to escape the reality of losing M. S was trying to help G let go of M, who was anchoring him is some way. G had created realities and manifestations that were in the ride with him at the beginning in his fractured psyche. This fracturing was causing the crossovers in the realities and further disorientating G and the viewer. S was his therepist, M mentioned he needed a psychotherapist too...</p> <p>So what I am trying to say is that G is having difficulty in accepting his reality and through a crack high we see three manifestations of him in his broken psyche, dealing with the loss of M and having S help him return. Kinda takes the shine off the idea of Him, but rather an idea that G thinks he is Him in his induced state. Trust me, I've seen it happen!</p> <p>I must apoligise for that pretty bad interpretation, I have difficulty in expressing what I think; and that is why I applaud John for his movie. I have had ideas about reality or the big question of Why and have failed in expressing it thoroughly. </p> <p>I guess the end of March will have some more activity with the R2 release in the UK. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/leibniz-spinoza-the-nines#post-302 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:51:20 +0000 Jimmi 302@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I find it curious that no one has yet commented on the obvious threads of Leibniz (The best of all possible worlds) or Spinoza (the hierarchical nature of the "beings" from eternal and infinite to finite) in this film. Just watched it, and thought immediately of this connection. Obviously the writer was thinking of Leibniz while writing this (correct me if I'm wrong), but I am curious if the connection to Spinoza is intended or not. While the connection is almost unavoidable if the connection to Leibniz was intended (Leibniz "borrowed" much from Spinoza), I am curious of the intent.</p> <p>If anyone wants to read about the Philosophers mentioned above, they are from the Rationalist period of the 17th Century and although Leibniz's theories are all but rejected (his monads just do not stand the test of free will), Spinoza's theories are still being grappled with today. In fact, upon reading Spinoza's "Ethics" many precursors to modern Quantum Mechanics can easily be read. So that is:</p> <p>Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz<br /> Benedictus(or Baruch) de Spinoza (or Espinosa)</p> <p>Thank you for a very intriguing take on these two geniuses. </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/some-theories-and-questions#post-301 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:01:38 +0000 Technomaly 301@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I just saw The Nines and I have to say it was absolutely amazing. Extremely bizare.</p> <p>I, uh, have some questions/theories/thoughts I just want to get out there.</p> <p>1. One theory I had was relating to the first part. I thought the actor was kind of immature... he was being 'babysitted', afraid he had no bellybutton, being impulsive... Susan/Sierra/Sarah sang him a lullaby, kind of. So I thought he was some kind of n00b or something to 'the game'. Melissa/Margaret/Mary also said, "oly oly oxen free," to him after finding the note. </p> <p>2. At the beginning he was burning his ex-wife's stuff, right? Since there were several references to fire and stuff... it made me think he's tried to quit 'playing the game' more than once. Ninety times, maybe? Susan/Sierra/Sarah was "saved" from the fire - I can't remember by whom. But he didn't mean to burn the 'house' down, just his ex's stuff.</p> <p>3. Is there significance in Melissa/Margaret/Mary? If he is almost!God... and she's his favourite, then is she like the virgin Mary somehow? What the heck does that mean for everyone else and his daughter? </p> <p>4. I found the idea of the daughter being mute in one version, but not in the 'final' version really interesting. I have no idea what the hell it means, and it's driving me insane trying to figure out!</p> <p>5. G1. He kind of sounds like a piece of a game too. He could be a creation as well.</p> <p>6. The actors/actresses as themselves drives me nuts. Brilliant...ly confusing. Is that world the Real World? He played the game in the world... and seemed to have somehow created both of the other versions...</p> <p>7. Is it true this movie has/had an ARG (Alternate Reality Game) that partially took place in Second Life? Hot damn. I hope that's a trend... I've been playing ARGs for years now; I frigging LOVE to see viral stuff like this.</p> <p>8. Koalas? Telepathic koalas? Friggin' hip to the jive! </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/my-love-for-the-nines#post-300 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:49:13 +0000 mewgirl151 300@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p><a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/MEWGIRL151/me159.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/MEWGIRL151/me159.jpg</a> </p> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/voice-any-criticisms-here#post-299 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:50:11 +0000 t89472 299@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <br /> http://lookforthenines.com/forums/topic/voice-any-criticisms-here#post-298 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:50:11 +0000 t89472 298@http://lookforthenines.com/forums/ <p>I'm new to this forum and haven't read all the strands, but of the few that I've read I feel as though a couple of possilbe interpretations weren't talked about.</p> <p> I think there are two very poignant statements the director is making. The first is a topical one, which is reality (that everyone experiences) can consume our senses and suck us into their drama. </p> <p> I really think he makes that point when he says in the film that the dumb people won't understand the film. As well as Ryan's characters thinking they are the victim of their experiences instead of the creator. Maybe he's saying that if you are unaware of the fact that you choose your path in life then you ar at it's whim to follow it. Which leads me to the second interpretation.</p> <p>Maybe the numbering system is not a specific classification for how a being is ranked in ability, intelligence and power, but a level of awareness. For example Ryan's character develops his "Dietiness" when he is reminded of who he is. When his awareness is broadened then so is his creativity and understanding. </p>